# 1754 Factory: Proposed Legal Review and Report to Centrifuge Community **URL:** \ **Category:** Governance discussion\ **Tags:** 1754-factory, branch, bling, 2023, apr\ **Created:** [April 7, 2023, 12:46am UTC](https://gov.centrifuge.io/t/1754-factory-proposed-legal-review-and-report-to-centrifuge-community/5322 "2023-04-07T00:46:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![rogerio](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/gov.centrifuge.io/rogerio/32/2690_2.png) [@rogerio](https://gov.centrifuge.io/u/rogerio)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 12:39am UTC](https://gov.centrifuge.io/t/1754-factory-proposed-legal-review-and-report-to-centrifuge-community/5322/108 "2024-03-04T00:39:18Z")
Insane. Ridiculous. Shameful. …I know that team doesn’t care and doesn’t read this, but I echo sentiment of all who were betrayed. ---
**Author:** ![osegon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ba9def/32.png) [@osegon](https://gov.centrifuge.io/u/osegon)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 10:06pm UTC](https://gov.centrifuge.io/t/1754-factory-proposed-legal-review-and-report-to-centrifuge-community/5322/110 "2024-03-04T22:06:34Z")
the question is whether CFG did its due diligence with regard to Fabian Dureuil. Did Fabian properly disclose any criminal, civil, regulatory or administrative proceedings in the past 10 years that may have stopped this from happening? does CFG has access to “non-public information” about Fabian that it has not shared with the pool but would allow us to recover losses? or we are told to wait another year for answers that may never come. @str8fish and the rest of us never got answers to these questions back in june '23: "That begs the question, who was vetting the originator and the loan book on behalf of Davoa? - What due diligence does the Centrifuge team do on the issuers? - What protective measures does the protocol take to avoid rogue or incompetent issuers? Contracts? KYC/AML? Collateral? Always assumed the main risks would lie with the originators and the smart contracts / protocol. If those two factors were relatively good, the senior tranche would mitigate most of the remaining risk. So I am curious about what damage an issuer could do in a bad-case scenario and how (if) this is mitigated." so…any updates re: formation of this creditor committee or is it better that we all make whistleblower reports to the appropriate agencies? why are posts being heavily moderated and flagged? what does CFG have to hide and did Fabian fail to provide full disclosure of any proceedings against him (either in US or abroad) that would be highly pertinent to any “legal review”? why is CFG shielding Fabian? they hope we will just all forget and walk away capitalizing on the fact that we all just lost our money and don’t have the same legal recourse at our fingertips that they do. bad form. ---
**Author:** ![Eli](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@Eli](https://gov.centrifuge.io/u/Eli)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 10:58pm UTC](https://gov.centrifuge.io/t/1754-factory-proposed-legal-review-and-report-to-centrifuge-community/5322/111 "2024-03-04T22:58:31Z")
@osegon Please note the following points for clarification: - Centrifuge Network Foundation (CNF) and CFG Services Ltd. have no non-public information regarding 1754 or Fabien Dureuil. - The Centrifuge Protocol is operated by the DAO. Due diligence and/or vetting of issuers is carried out by the DAO. All documents received are open-source and public. CNF does not carry out due diligence on behalf of investors. It does not and cannot act on behalf of investors. - CNF does not have any legal recourse with respect to 1754 or Fabien Dureuil that is not available to other investors ---
**Author:** ![rogerio](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/gov.centrifuge.io/rogerio/32/2690_2.png) [@rogerio](https://gov.centrifuge.io/u/rogerio)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 11:04pm UTC](https://gov.centrifuge.io/t/1754-factory-proposed-legal-review-and-report-to-centrifuge-community/5322/112 "2024-03-04T23:04:45Z")
Seriously? All the vetting 3 years ago was done by DAO? DAO identified and brought this opportunity? I’m sorry, I don’t want to use appropriate language to get banned, but you can’t be serious about it. ---
**Author:** ![rogerio](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/gov.centrifuge.io/rogerio/32/2690_2.png) [@rogerio](https://gov.centrifuge.io/u/rogerio)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 11:13pm UTC](https://gov.centrifuge.io/t/1754-factory-proposed-legal-review-and-report-to-centrifuge-community/5322/113 "2024-03-04T23:13:15Z")
I think we should be much more vocal on other platforms than here. CFG can’t care less about our concerns shared here since visitor numbers of this forum are very small and all these concerns get only very limited exposure. We should coordinate and much more actively bring up these issues on Discord, Twitter, etc. We should talk to well known entities in the space to help create more awareness about what’s going on and how CFG treats their early supporters. I’m already in touch with one of the largest VC funds who I actively work with who also invested into CFG way back and want them to push CFG as well through their powers to not hide behind DAO narrative and rather compensate/treat their early supporters in a fair way. I hate to FUD my bags which I still hold (as I’m a stupid OG who trusted CFG that it is a honest team that will eventually deliver), but I see no other way how to alert people to not make the same mistake we did. ---
**Author:** ![osegon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ba9def/32.png) [@osegon](https://gov.centrifuge.io/u/osegon)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 11:54pm UTC](https://gov.centrifuge.io/t/1754-factory-proposed-legal-review-and-report-to-centrifuge-community/5322/114 "2024-03-04T23:54:03Z")
Here is some public information about Fabian Dureuil published [11/26/2019 by Capital.fr](https://www.capital.fr/crypto/la-gestion-trouble-de-dune-la-cryptomonnaie-soutenue-par-xavier-niel-1356145) excerpt: “Three months after its launch, the Dune cryptocurrency is facing a storm surrounding one of its co-founders. Fabien Dureuil is suspected of reselling millions of units that do not belong to him.The address that controls the eight million tokens currently has a balance of 1.8 million tokens. Much of it has already been distributed. It’s difficult to trace them all, but at least 1.3 million were sent to an address claimed by an over-the-counter broker. This is responsible for buying or selling tokens in the absence of Dune on traditional exchange platforms. This means that Fabien Dureuil sold Dune tokens that did not belong to him for a consideration. The person concerned denies having personally enriched himself. He explains that he needed funds to pay external service providers.” Fabian/Davoa is a relative unknown who relied on the reputation of CNF/CFG in order to generate any kind of interest in 1754 and associated pools. Regardless of legal technicalities, there is (at the very least) a glaring ethical issue when it comes to implied vouching for an issuer. Shrugging that off and putting the responsibility solely onto investors ignores that obvious fact. In this space, reputation is everything. It’s understandable that CFG wants to preserve theirs but the best way to do that is with fairness and transparency. agree with @rogerio that the best remedy investors have in the interim is to get the word out so there is more public information regarding both Fabian/Davoa and CFG’s handling of this. . ---
**Author:** ![Max](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Max](https://gov.centrifuge.io/u/Max)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 8:14am UTC](https://gov.centrifuge.io/t/1754-factory-proposed-legal-review-and-report-to-centrifuge-community/5322/115 "2024-03-05T08:14:47Z")
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**Author:** ![Max](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Max](https://gov.centrifuge.io/u/Max)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 8:15am UTC](https://gov.centrifuge.io/t/1754-factory-proposed-legal-review-and-report-to-centrifuge-community/5322/116 "2024-03-05T08:15:21Z")
yeah it’s pointless discussing negative things here because the moderators will just hide our responses LMAO ---
**Author:** ![ImdioR](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/gov.centrifuge.io/imdior/32/1011_2.png) [@ImdioR](https://gov.centrifuge.io/u/ImdioR)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 8:43am UTC](https://gov.centrifuge.io/t/1754-factory-proposed-legal-review-and-report-to-centrifuge-community/5322/117 "2024-03-05T08:43:41Z")
Good day [Max](https://gov.centrifuge.io/u/Max) > [@Max](#): > > yeah it’s pointless discussing negative things here because the moderators will just hide our responses LMAO We appreciate your engagement on the forum and value your opinions and concerns. You are free to express your opinions and feelings in any forum and manner by using any kind of offensive/abusive language and\or\with\without insults at your choice and at your discretion freely outside of a public Centrifuge forum, or Discord server. I would like to remind you to adhere to the forum [rules, guidelines](https://gov.centrifuge.io/t/centrifuge-governance-forum-rules/1229) and [Code of Conduct of Centrifuge DAO](https://github.com/centrifuge/cps/blob/main/cps/CP29/CP29.md). We have a strict policy against using offensive or abusive language, insults, or any disrespect towards other members. > [@Max](#): > > "Hello, > > This is an automated message from Centrifuge Governance Forum to let you know that your post was hidden. > > [1754 Factory: Proposed Legal Review and Report to Centrifuge Community - #109](https://gov.centrifuge.io/t/1754-factory-proposed-legal-review-and-report-to-centrifuge-community/5322/109) > > Your post will remain hidden until a staff member reviews it. Please note that Centrifuge Governance Forum use automatic word filter and flag\hide any post that contains offensive/abusive language. While we encourage open and honest discussions, it is important to maintain a respectful and inclusive environment for all participants. We kindly request that ALL forum members\Discord members express their feelings and concerns constructively and politely, without resorting to inappropriate language or behaviour. Please note that any violations of the Code of Conduct, forum\discord rules and guidelines may result in a warning, suspension, or permanent ban from the forum. We hope that you understand the importance of maintaining a positive and respectful Community, and we look forward to your continued participation. Thank you. Best. ---
**Author:** ![Max](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Max](https://gov.centrifuge.io/u/Max)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 8:52am UTC](https://gov.centrifuge.io/t/1754-factory-proposed-legal-review-and-report-to-centrifuge-community/5322/118 "2024-03-05T08:52:53Z")
so calling a spade a spade is considered as abusive language? ---
**Author:** ![osegon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ba9def/32.png) [@osegon](https://gov.centrifuge.io/u/osegon)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 8:22pm UTC](https://gov.centrifuge.io/t/1754-factory-proposed-legal-review-and-report-to-centrifuge-community/5322/119 "2024-03-07T20:22:34Z")
It all comes back to Davoa aka Fabien Dureuil and the question is what happened to the money and why is CFG colluding with Fabien to cover that up? Has Fabien settled the CFG lawsuit (google Fabien Dureuil, Offshore Alert) so CFG is hoping investors just give up because they’ve recouped their losses? As long as this heavily moderated forum is the only point of connection for investors, they control the narrative and the outcome. Davoa/Fabien Dureuil is answerable for this and so is CFG. We deserve to know what happened to our money, we have waited long enough. Stop posting on here and start posting online - get the word out. @rogerio and anyone else who is planning on getting their attorney on this. They hope we will all just give up and go away. ---
**Author:** ![equainton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ce73a5/32.png) [@equainton](https://gov.centrifuge.io/u/equainton)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 5:07pm UTC](https://gov.centrifuge.io/t/1754-factory-proposed-legal-review-and-report-to-centrifuge-community/5322/120 "2024-03-09T17:07:45Z")
Eden Quainton here, general outside counsel to Davoa Capital LP and affiliated entities, with a brief update for the Centrifuge community: 1754 and Davoa have been working with the 1754 creditor group for several months now, and a procedure is in place to liquidate the Bling pool assets for the benefit of the creditors. Some assets have been successfully liquidated in the past few months. Separately, Charles Russell Speechlys and Manatt Phelps, representing both the 1754 creditors and 1754/Davoa, have filed additional pleadings with the French Tribunal de Commerce to assert the creditors’ and Davoa’s rights in connection with the default by Sherwood, SAS, the owner of Bling, on a series of loans from Davoa. Davoa and its affiliated companies anticipate that the liquidation of 1754’s assets and the Sherwood litigation will both be completed during the fourth quarter of 2024. Davoa will provide additional updates if there are any material new developments that may affect the foregoing. ---
**Author:** ![osegon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ba9def/32.png) [@osegon](https://gov.centrifuge.io/u/osegon)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2024, 7:13pm UTC](https://gov.centrifuge.io/t/1754-factory-proposed-legal-review-and-report-to-centrifuge-community/5322/121 "2024-03-11T19:13:34Z")
@hepp@Lumination perhaps fabien can be reached in the comments section for some of the paid articles popping up online about him and his new finance venture lucidfinance.xyz > **[Fabien Dureuil’s Strategies for Successful Investing](https://thebossmagazine.com/fabien-dureuil-strategies-for-successful-investing/)** > > At the core of successful investing is portfolio management, a concept that Fabien Dureuil, a seasoned investor with a wealth of experience, is well versed in. > **[Fabien Dureuil on overcoming the hurdles of entrepreneurship](https://www.digitaljournal.com/business/fabien-dureuil-on-overcoming-the-hurdles-of-entrepreneurship/article)** > > Seasoned entrepreneur Fabien Dureuil shares words of wisdom for budding business owners who are getting ready to take the startup plunge looks like a lot of damage control and timing is hard to ignore ---
**Author:** ![BLahar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@BLahar](https://gov.centrifuge.io/u/BLahar)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2024, 1:49am UTC](https://gov.centrifuge.io/t/1754-factory-proposed-legal-review-and-report-to-centrifuge-community/5322/122 "2024-03-24T01:49:28Z")
As a senior tranche investor in Branch Series 3 whose loans come due this July, how do I join the creditor committee and the lawsuit as a plaintiff - given the likelihood that the loans will be repaid is negligible? ---
**Author:** ![Max](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Max](https://gov.centrifuge.io/u/Max)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2024, 1:14pm UTC](https://gov.centrifuge.io/t/1754-factory-proposed-legal-review-and-report-to-centrifuge-community/5322/123 "2024-03-24T13:14:58Z")
Don’t bother. Just write it off like the rest of us because the core team is just gonna claim ignorance under the veil of DAO. ---
**Author:** ![ache](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b77776/32.png) [@ache](https://gov.centrifuge.io/u/ache)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 5:16pm UTC](https://gov.centrifuge.io/t/1754-factory-proposed-legal-review-and-report-to-centrifuge-community/5322/124 "2024-06-09T17:16:37Z")
Is there any news? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![hepp](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/user_avatar/gov.centrifuge.io/hepp/32/2104_2.png) [@hepp](https://gov.centrifuge.io/u/hepp)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2024, 6:22am UTC](https://gov.centrifuge.io/t/1754-factory-proposed-legal-review-and-report-to-centrifuge-community/5322/125 "2024-06-20T06:22:57Z")
Since Centrifuge closed the Branch 3 series page, I will write it here. Centrifuge team mention that if the issuer can’t repay the loan, his assets will be liquidated to repay investors. So now that Mr. Goodman Fabien clearly can’t repay the loan, when will the assets be sold to repay investors? If you held $100K dai in branch 3 series, it’s now worth $50K. What’s interesting is that you can’t even claim it, even though half of the assets expired two days ago. If this isn’t a 1on1 scam, I don’t know what is, whether it’s from the issuer or the team. If the team wants to say it’s a fake statement, please address this. I mean, answer all the issues I mentioned, not just pick one to respond to, Anyway, I predicted this, told everyone there will be no repayment once the assets expired, Just the token value dropping by half in a day surprised me ---
**Author:** ![Max](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Max](https://gov.centrifuge.io/u/Max)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2024, 5:03pm UTC](https://gov.centrifuge.io/t/1754-factory-proposed-legal-review-and-report-to-centrifuge-community/5322/126 "2024-06-20T17:03:07Z")
Came here to check if there’s any update after being rugged for 1year+. Nope, guess the team still doesn’t care. ---
**Author:** ![Max](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Max](https://gov.centrifuge.io/u/Max)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2024, 5:04pm UTC](https://gov.centrifuge.io/t/1754-factory-proposed-legal-review-and-report-to-centrifuge-community/5322/127 "2024-06-20T17:04:12Z")
lol the moderators will just hide your comment away because you are ‘using abusive language’ because we are not allowed to say bad things about this pool or centrifuge! ---
**Author:** ![Sefigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4bbf92/32.png) [@Sefigo](https://gov.centrifuge.io/u/Sefigo)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2024, 6:08pm UTC](https://gov.centrifuge.io/t/1754-factory-proposed-legal-review-and-report-to-centrifuge-community/5322/128 "2024-06-20T18:08:50Z")
Can someone explain the current situation? Why did the price go down? Is there a lawsuit going on rn? How can I join? Miscommunication by the team is not acceptable! [Previous page](https://gov.centrifuge.io/t/1754-factory-proposed-legal-review-and-report-to-centrifuge-community/5322.md?page=5) [Next page](https://gov.centrifuge.io/t/1754-factory-proposed-legal-review-and-report-to-centrifuge-community/5322.md?page=7)